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SAFENET ID:
20160905-0001
Event Start Date:
09/05/2016 1600
Event Stop Date:
 
Incident Name:
PTO Problem
Fire Number:
 
State:
California
Jurisdiction:
USFS
Local Unit:
R5-PNF-FeatherRiverRangerDistrict
Incident Type:
Training
Incident Activity:
Readiness/Preparedness
Stage of Incident:
Non-incident
Position Title:
Sfeo 
Task:
PTO useage 
Management Level:
N/A
Resources Involved:
Model 326 Engine 
Contributing Factors
Contributing Factors:
Equipment
Human Factors:
Performance  
Other Factors:
faulty equipment 
Narrative
Describe in detail what happened including the concern or potential issue, the environment (weather, terrain, fire behavior, etc), and the resulting health issue.
This is the first safenet I have filed regarding this problem even though it has happened on approximately 6 separate occasions. I have a 2013 KME Model 326 engine. The first 2 years of it's operation, the engine worked fine. This summer however we have had nothing but problems with the PTO system. The PTO does not engage every time it is turned on. This has happened while in station, on assignment (Trailhead) and we have had multiple mechanics look at the issue attempting to "fix" it. So far, we have been told it is an electrical issue, a pto issue, a fuse issue and a combination of the 2 systems. There is no apparent link between why the pump will or won't turn on. I have heard of other new Model 326 engines with similar or like problems. One other engine was actually driven to Boise Mobile to be "fixed", "fixed", driven back and just yesterday, while on a fire, refused to throttle up. This issue is something that the mechanics have apparently been "talking about" for 2 years now but as of yet, cannot seem to come up with a fix. I am not a mechanic but one common thread seems to be that these problems are all happening to the new model 326 engines with the single stage pump. Our mechanic is completely stumped, our FMI seems unaffected by the multiple phone calls we have made to him and I don't see how this will get solved. Unforturnately I believe that there will come a time when we are actually on a fire when the pto will refuse to engage and the result will either be a near miss or some sort of unimaginable tragedy.
Immediate Action Taken
Reporting Individual : please describe actions you took to correct or mitigate the unsafe/unhealthful event.
The fix for today's incident was to turn the engine off, turn the battery switch off, let the engine sit for 10 minutes, reverse the process and the PTO did re-engage. In previous incidents, we have done the above and needed to leave it turned off for hours and or drive it around for an hour or so which for some reason turned it back on.


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